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welcome to the skeptic Zone the podcast

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yes it's the skeptic Zone podcast

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episode number

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764 for the 28th of May 2023 Richard

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well near San Francisco

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on this week's episode I journey to San

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Francisco with Dr Eugenie Scott in

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search of dinosaurs yes a couple of

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weeks ago on the show we were in the

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Tyrell Museum The Royal Tyrrell Museum

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of paleontology in Canada this week in

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the United States we head to San

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Francisco to the Academy of Sciences in

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Golden Gate Park and we look for the

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world's largest dinosaurs sauropods and

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more coming up at the top of the show

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after that I catch up with my old friend

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Susan Gerber who was in the Bay Area to

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give a workshop in Berkeley which was

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very interesting indeed and I chat to

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Susan about all sorts of things

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including her YouTube channel

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where she looks at so-called psychics

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after that it's the book of Tim and Tim

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reads a report about Mass Hysteria

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in Skookum studios in Calgary the Trove

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segment looks at lake monsters

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like the fact that Fridays come around

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well they come around at least once a

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week if you're the sort of person who

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appreciates Friday Friday afternoon

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especially I'm thinking about you why

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downstairs and have I think a roast beef

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and cheese sandwich

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while I do that I hope you enjoy the

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dinosaurs yes I can't get enough of

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dinosaurs a couple of weeks ago I was in

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Tyrell the Royal Tyrell Museum of

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paleontology in Calgary today I'm in

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where the museum here is putting on a

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wonderful exhibition of giant dinosaurs

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I'm with somebody who needs no

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introduction it's Dr Eugenie Scott hi

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Jenny hi there we are amongst the

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dinosaurs Duty look at this we've got a

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uh very long neck and and face but you

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know it's a visiting exhibit so they're

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not going to have everything here but

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they've got they've got a part of a

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sauropod leg over there which is about

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the size of a two-story buildings yeah

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it's moving right along I do like this

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one because it it's I'll just walk over

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here underneath it's a reconstruction of

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a sauropod the long neck and the the

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head it gives you a true idea of the

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actual scale of these things yeah you

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don't have to watch uh Jurassic Park you

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I'm astonished the mouth itself and the

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teeth are tiny compared to the rest of

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it which meant it would have to be

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what's the word I'm looking for not

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harvesting the food um

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munching the food what's the word I'm

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the sheer size of this Beast to keep it

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eating low calorie food by and large

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the time that they're awake yeah on the

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other hand size is very adaptive if you

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want to avoid Predators because once you

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hatchling stage and we do know that many

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if not most dinosaurs did take care of

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their young so there would be some

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protection but once you got you know

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past the size of a small car you didn't

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worrying about predators no I mean

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eating you do and we'll

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this is only the first room here in the

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exhibition so we'll March around the

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confronted with another sauropod

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which is quite fascinating and it's been

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veins running up the neck the esophagus

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here today which is a very good sign a

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the windpipe I'm walking along the

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length of the windpipe I'm still walking

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wonderful display and certainly giving

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of how these creatures were put together

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this interesting dinosaur and what I

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didn't notice before is on this on the

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belly of the Beast

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descriptions of the creature yeah

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appreciation of this exhibit I mean I'm

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really uh have a have a perhaps more

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than critical eye toward how well a

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museum display is done and so far I've

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been impressed with this one I think

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it's a good job this particular model

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of a sauropod has a reconstruction on

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one side and then the side that we're

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cutaway as it were you see the muscles

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the inside and you kind of get an idea

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of the Blood and Guts and then the

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little video that Richard was just

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describing shows things like internal

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organs and digestive systems and stuff

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like that so it's pretty cool and

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impressed it's in all honesty it's not a

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huge exhibition there's one room over

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and now but for what it's worth it's

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it's very good well you know traveling

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permanent so you know they have to be

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small enough to back up and move on to

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the next exhibit so yeah the world of

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traveling exhibits is fascinating a

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place that where you and I have been

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traveling exhibits they produce a lot of

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exhibits that then are shipped to

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some some travel like this sauropod

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but it's you know what I've seen so far

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it was near you

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check it out yeah it's got our seal of

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approval it really has if you're in the

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now there's a very interesting display

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how this is really a way to conserve

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energy when grazing because all the

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sauropod has to do is stand in the one

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and it can graze a huge sweep of area

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and swing its neck around and would have

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an enormous area of vegetation to uh

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I never knew it's interesting Genie one

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of the information panels we're looking

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down its neck and along the back and

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along the tail which may well have been

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we just don't know we do know from some

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fossils that we have of dinosaur skin

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that there were colorful markings on the

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skin nothing has been found that

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completely replicates this dry this is

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this drawing is still fanciful but it's

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not it's not outside of the realm but

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absolutely not no that's fun the red

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part on the head here and sure why not

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we we do know that that dinosaur skin

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had colors it had Stripes I think there

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was there's even some evidence of some

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patches so you know go ahead be creative

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artists give us give us your ideas

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another interesting display here is a

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recreation of a dinosaur nest with a

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group of about nine or ten eggs and one

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dinosaur sitting in the nest

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fascinating however the

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centuries millennia

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eons that the same themes reoccur in

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a nest with eggs and undoubtedly a

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mother or a father looking after the

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the world's largest dinosaurs a major

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exhibition on view at the California

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Academy of Sciences from May 26 2023 to

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January the 21st 2024.

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where are we Susan hey Richard we're at

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in Berkeley at the community room

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at the Central Library yeah Berkeley

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Public Library yes which is a big

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building and it's you were saying it's a

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mix of the old and the new we're in this

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meeting an empty meeting room because

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we're early for the echo hello hello and

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you're here today too I'm going to be

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doing a workshop I'm speaking to the

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berry Skeptics and this should be really

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interesting it's I'm facilitating a

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workshop so I'm not giving a talk

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this is about how to have good

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discussions with people how to come back

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and into the world meeting people in

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person and having discussions about

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difficult topics the goal is to become

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the person people come to when they have

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I've got I've got questions about

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strange things a lot of the time I feel

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a little silly doing this Workshop in

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front of you and like Jimmy Scott and

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the other senior people I'm going to

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learn a lot of stuff oh no no no I don't

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know we'll see we'll see we always learn

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something and I've been learning things

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because I've been watching your YouTube

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videos can you please tell the audience

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about the YouTube videos especially

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centering on very well-known so-called

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mediums yeah so it's called psychics

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explained that's my YouTube channel I've

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had it about two months Lincoln this

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week show notes of course you're the

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best

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um and what I'm doing is I'm breaking

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down psychic readings mediumship

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readings in detail and explaining

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because I think one of the things that

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we've been doing in the community is

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we've not done a well

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you know we're how do I say this we're

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being kind of flip it about how we talk

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to people who believe in mediumship

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readings they say I've had a really

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great reading and there's no way they

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could have they could have known this

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information and we're just like oh no

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that's you know that's silly trying

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basically saying you're dumb you know

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and you don't know what you're talking

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about and how silly you are but I think

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that

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things actually do

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seem very realistic if you're not like

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somebody who's done hours and hours and

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you know tons of listening to mediumship

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readings like you and I have you don't

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hear the tricks you don't see it well

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it's the old analogy with the stage

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magician when you go to see a stage

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magician in the rabbit appears and the

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woman is thrown in half or or whatever

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the case may be if you don't know the

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trick you're Blown Away now if you go to

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somebody who says they can contact your

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dead relatives and they appear to do so

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and you don't know the psychological and

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sometimes frankly outright cheating then

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you can be blown away and it's the old

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adage we we don't blame the victim right

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we shouldn't blame the victim we should

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be looking and explaining it to them in

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some sort of detail and that's what I do

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on my channel is I break down the

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reading I explain a lot of it's word

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play because most psychics do cold

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reading so yeah yeah so what we're able

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to do is look at how they said the words

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and then think about how they said the

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words to make it sound like they were

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being specific but actually they're just

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being very vague it's as far as we're

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concerned it's the old story because

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we've been dealing with this

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well frankly for decades yeah and you

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know the interesting thing Richard is

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I'm the only female I think that's doing

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this and I've looked into this for years

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all the researchers and psychics have

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been male well there's lean Kelly of

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course in Australia who wrote uh the the

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book um the skeptic's guide to the

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Paranormal I think that's the name of

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her and she's an expert on cold reading

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and psychics I didn't realize that I

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know Lynn Kelly yeah I know I think of

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her as the person who deals with uh

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Stonehenge and spiders yeah I didn't

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really think that she studied with Ian

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Roland who wrote the book the full facts

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book of code reading didn't know that

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and in oh yes I've known Lynn Kelly for

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years and I've seen her many years ago

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in Melbourne I was down for science week

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in Melbourne with the local Skeptics

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down there hello to all the wonderful

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Melbourne Skeptics and Lynn set up a

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little table and she was giving free

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so-called psychic readings and people

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were gobsmacked and she would have

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people saying can I come back later for

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a private reading even though there were

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signs above her saying fake this is a

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trick

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she's superb now that is something I

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didn't know yo I'm the only one on

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YouTube apparently that's doing this

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interesting and and what exactly do you

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do in these videos so I'm explaining the

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video trying to be kind to the people

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who are the victims well the sitters I

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guess we should call them sitters yeah

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and they're there getting the readings

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and the medium is doing their thing and

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I'll stop and pause and say did you hear

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that did you see how they did that do

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you see the words he used or she used

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and how they how they're manipulating

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the sitter sitters are almost always

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female yeah and the um you know I'll

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look at it and we'll we'll just go

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through if they're hot reading which are

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some psychics that do heart reading I

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will find the screenshots that prove

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they're hot reading and and you do that

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by looking at the publicly available

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social media profile right and you can

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see where the medium and says the medium

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might say what's this about the two dogs

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who ran away or something like that and

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you can find where this sitter has

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posted this very information sometime

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back on their social media so it's no

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surprise these psychics suddenly get

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this mystical insight about stuff that's

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already out there absolutely we find

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that it's not as hard to find that that

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you would think you do not have to have

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a private Facebook I mean you don't have

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to have a public Facebook page you can

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actually find stuff on pages that are

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fairly open or using genealogy sites but

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the psychics I deal with are doing maybe

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10 minutes on a social media it's really

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easy to find the things and myself and

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my team I have a team of people who do

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this they're really good at it and after

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a while you just kind of get the get the

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feel of it and you know where to go we

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go right to photos and we look for any

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photograph on somebody's posted that's

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black and white sepia or something from

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the 60s or 70s you know that kind of

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look to it we go right to it and most of

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the time it's exactly what the psychic

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has found really really because that

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you'll run it's just a good Dimensions

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you're speaking of course it's not just

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the details like posts like today I lost

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my dog or something like that if they

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post photographs of their life and maybe

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from their own personal family there's a

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wealth of information a trip to

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Disneyland for example or at the beach

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or whatever the case may be what we're

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finding is the person will put something

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up that's a memorance of somebody oh

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this is Mother's Day this is Veterans

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Day this is Father's day and here's my

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parents on their wedding anniversary

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here's my parents here's my father

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coming home from the military and you

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see those black and white photographs

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and immediately there's some kind of

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post at the top saying this is my dad he

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was stationed here and he did this and

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and he buried my mom soon after or

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whatever and then in the comments of the

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family members they're saying stuff like

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oh I remember what Uncle Joe he did this

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and oh my gosh he used to take me

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fishing and yeah so this is right there

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psychic and the reading will say why am

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I seeing a man in uniform and why am I

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seeing this particular status because

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that's information is absolutely right

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so and then they fill it in the sitter

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fills in all the information as soon

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they can't wait to talk about themselves

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yeah and do you think that the the

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modern

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medium maybe is a bit lazy they don't

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have to do that much research they just

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go to Facebook and whatever absolutely

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Mark Edwards says that these are the

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laziest psyches he's ever seen in his

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entire life they used to have to

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materialize tremble trample tambourines

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and and have ectoplasm come out of their

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orifices and you know dark seances and

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now he says they just stand in front of

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a group of people and just say whatever

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it's the laziest he's ever seen it and

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social media has made it that made it

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easy made it easy well people tell me

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they say I shouldn't um oh I shouldn't

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be on social media it's another harmless

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social media no my Facebook page is

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public everything I do is published

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there's mostly cats and Gardens but the

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point is is that you should just assume

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there anybody who tells you something

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that you don't think they could have

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gotten from somewhere else guess what

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they got it from somewhere so just

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assume keep your Facebook page your

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social media is open as you're

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comfortable with don't it's already too

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late you can not close it up because

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people's lives are in newspapers they're

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on their other friends or family members

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Facebook social media you cannot protect

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yourself from all this it's there so

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just be wary and if somebody says

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um you know I'm contacting your dead

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whatever

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just assume they got it from social

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media somewhere I'm just remembering the

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time that I wrote a little script for

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you and you played a psychic called

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Goldie white do you remember that like

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we were contacting a dead cat or

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something like that oh my gosh I gotta

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go back and re-listen to that oh those

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were so fun they were just so fun the

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different little scripts you would have

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us do they oh my favorite one I think

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was the Bermuda Triangle oh that's right

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yes yes my favorite uh listeners if you

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go to the link in um on the skeptic Zone

550
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homepage at skepticzone.tv scroll down

551
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and on the right of the page you'll see

552
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typewriter time audio comedy and there's

553
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a great one where Susan is a tour guide

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in the Bermuda Triangle and I turn up to

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take one of your tours over and over and

556
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over and over again yeah you know

557
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they're so clever I am not clever like

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that you have such skills that I I

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couldn't even think of doing I have no

560
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skills in that area but I sure do like

561
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my mediumship readings I can pick out

562
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those things so fast and what's going on

563
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I love doing that well I think there are

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some people just turning up in the door

565
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now Susan we better stop this and get

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ready for the workshop but oh yeah this

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should be fun thank you very much thank

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foreign

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the Earth is only 6 000 years old that's

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what Answers in Genesis and the Creation

571
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Museum say and how can a museum be wrong

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isn't Dr Oz just wonderful I love

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today's episode it didn't talk down to

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his adoring audience of women at all

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science has proved that the subatomic

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Quantum realm is as real as it is

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counter-intuitive and bizarre therefore

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I can use it to support quantum healing

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on Quantum Consciousness after all how

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can journals like Aquarius metaphysics

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be wrong

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evolution is just a theory after all if

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we came from monkeys then why are there

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still monkeys we all have friends and

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family who believe these things and much

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more well if you're a rational thinker

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and now a reading from the book of Tim

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[Music]

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foreign

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[Music]

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[Laughter]

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I'm executive officer of Australian

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Skeptics Inc and I'm also editor of our

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quarterly magazine the skeptic and today

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I'm reading from the very first issue of

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escaping magazine came out 40 odd years

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ago we've been around that long from

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volume one number one which is from

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early 1981 and this is a story called

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Mass Hysteria

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it's by one of the Victorian committee

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members at the time Dr Alan Christophers

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and you can download this issue of the

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magazine yourself and have a read of it

627
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and all the exciting stories and most of

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the issues for the last 40 years are

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available online for free on their

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website skeptics.com but okay Alan says

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students of the Paranormal are familiar

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with claims of miraculous cures of

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disease where the Improvement in

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conditions brought about by suggestion

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on the part of the Healer on the other

636
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side of the coin is a situation where

637
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diseases are generated by a process of

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suggestion in the popular book from the

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1950s I think it was the story of San

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Michelle but by accident winter himself

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a physician tells how he he

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incapacitated arrival by talking him

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into a disabling illness

644
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the phenomena arise perhaps more often

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amongst a group of people and is then

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usually called Mass Hysteria these are

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outbreaks of mass hysteria most often

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affect young adolescents

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the symptoms complained over those

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thought to be appropriate to the

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occasion the patients often believe they

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suffer from poisoning or infectious

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disease very often the outbreak is

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started by a trigger figure

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from whom the others copy the symptoms

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the symptoms of the trigger figure are

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usually

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but not necessarily imaginary

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one of these outbreaks occurred in

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Victoria in June last year which was

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1980. it involved about half of a group

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of 80 children from McKillip College

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werribee which is in Victoria who were

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holidaying in the country area of

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gippsland

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the trigger figure in this case was an

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adolescent girl who had an attack of the

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hyperventilation syndrome also known as

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Panic breathing

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the over breathing is due to emotional

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causes sometimes but not always in a

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panic situation the symptoms are real

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and will develop in anyone who over

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breathes the symptoms in this case were

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photophobia which is free of light

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blurred vision feelings of hot and cold

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and abdominal pain

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within a few hours half of the children

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were sick

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many were plainly hysterical in the

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ordinary sense but many had symptoms

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very similar to the trigger figure

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the combinations of abdominal pain with

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feelings of hot and cold suggested an

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epidemic of infectious gastroenteritis

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from food poisoning the outbreak had

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completely subsided as quickly as it

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arose that is within a few hours

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at least some of his children following

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the trigger figure had genuine attacks

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of over breathing and these no doubt

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added a touch of authenticity to the

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whole proceedings

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the next day there was no trouble but a

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recurrence occurred next day when the

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children were returning to werribee in

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two buses the second attack occurred it

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drew in her country town where they had

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stopped for a short break again it

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evolved about half the children mostly

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those involved in the first attack

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there were at least a few genuine cases

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of panic over breathing

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again the attacks subsided within a few

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hours one of the girls was detained at

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warrigal hospital for a short time

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although the children were apparently

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well on reaching home many were

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obviously apprehensive and wondering

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when they would fall victim to this

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mysterious disease

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it was not surprising therefore that

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isolated attacks continued sporadically

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amongst the children over the next few

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days and a number were admitted to

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hospital

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investigations by the Health commission

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indicated that the outbreak could not

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have been due to any organic disease

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as odd children were still succumbing it

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became necessary for the commission to

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reluctantly label the outbreak as

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hysteria this diagnosis was resisted by

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the school authorities generally and

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very fiercely resisted by parents who

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would not believe that their children

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were hysterical

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by coincidence another attack of

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Massachusetts area in children made

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headlines about a month later this

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attack involved almost 500 children who

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were attending a carnival in Nottingham

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England

734
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children in the jazz bands at the

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carnival started to collapse quote they

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were just trembling all over and

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fainting the hospital said that the

738
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symptoms were consistent with exposure

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to fumes of some sort causing nausea

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burning of the eyes and a metal taste in

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the mouth

742
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at first poisoning by insecticide was

743
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,520
suspected but no traces of insecticide

744
00:30:56,690 --> 00:30:54,720
could be found

745
00:30:59,450 --> 00:30:56,700
eventually Expert Medical opinion

746
00:31:01,970 --> 00:30:59,460
diagnosis also was strongly resisted by

747
00:31:03,769 --> 00:31:01,980
the band organizers and by the parents

748
00:31:05,090 --> 00:31:03,779
it was typical of media reporting of

749
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such events that whilst the first

750
00:31:09,049 --> 00:31:07,020
account of the outbreak blaming

751
00:31:11,090 --> 00:31:09,059
insecticides was given headlines

752
00:31:13,010 --> 00:31:11,100
the subsequent disclaimer was published

753
00:31:15,049 --> 00:31:13,020
in a short paragraph hidden towards the

754
00:31:17,930 --> 00:31:15,059
back of the paper

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stereo requires for its generation a

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number of predisposing factors to set

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the stage it usually requires a large

758
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collection often of teenage girls in a

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situation fraught with considerable

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emotional tension or excitement

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00:31:34,850 --> 00:31:32,700
the exciting cause is often a bad smell

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00:31:37,130 --> 00:31:34,860
that suggests that presence of a

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poisonous gas and the attack is usually

764
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precipitated by a trigger figure

765
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,279
this Trigon figure may be someone more

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suggestible than the others or maybe

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someone who happens to be genuinely ill

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and I would add it might also be someone

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who likes to influence other people

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those who follow the trigger via copy of

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their symptoms from the trigger figure

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00:31:57,169 --> 00:31:55,320
most often the outbreak subsides as

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quickly as it started and this is

774
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usually associated with the removal of

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the patients from the situation they

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thought was responsible for their

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disease

778
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if the outbreak is small it often does

779
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not attract the attention of the media

780
00:32:11,630 --> 00:32:09,779
if it is reported it is usually ascribed

781
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:11,640
to some poisonous agent

782
00:32:15,889 --> 00:32:13,740
and further investigations reveals the

783
00:32:17,450 --> 00:32:15,899
historical nature of the illness the

784
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media have lost interest and the true

785
00:32:20,870 --> 00:32:19,559
diagnosis is rarely revealed to the

786
00:32:22,730 --> 00:32:20,880
public

787
00:32:24,470 --> 00:32:22,740
one could not be blamed for believing

788
00:32:26,810 --> 00:32:24,480
that there was a conspiracy of Silence

789
00:32:29,210 --> 00:32:26,820
the media are interested in reporting a

790
00:32:31,250 --> 00:32:29,220
poisoning but I'm not so interested in

791
00:32:32,870 --> 00:32:31,260
reporting the final diagnosis that it

792
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was all in the mind

793
00:32:35,930 --> 00:32:34,320
the patients and their parents are

794
00:32:38,810 --> 00:32:35,940
naturally unwilling to accept the fact

795
00:32:40,190 --> 00:32:38,820
that the illness was not genuine

796
00:32:42,889 --> 00:32:40,200
not to be forgotten of the medical

797
00:32:44,870 --> 00:32:42,899
practitioners who early diagnose some

798
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:44,880
organic disease and who would look a

799
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little foolish by a revelation of the

800
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:47,640
truth

801
00:32:51,049 --> 00:32:50,159
small outbreaks of masturia are fairly

802
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:51,059
common

803
00:32:55,010 --> 00:32:53,399
but for the reasons given above most of

804
00:32:56,930 --> 00:32:55,020
them are not publicized

805
00:32:59,090 --> 00:32:56,940
through rather remarkable feature of the

806
00:33:01,190 --> 00:32:59,100
episode involving them akilip College

807
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children which had gave the appearance

808
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of a mysterious infectious disease

809
00:33:06,350 --> 00:33:04,740
rather than a poisoning

810
00:33:08,510 --> 00:33:06,360
for this reason the outbreak was not

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cured by The Return of the children to

812
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their homes the children continued to

813
00:33:14,810 --> 00:33:12,960
wonder when they would be Smitten by

814
00:33:17,389 --> 00:33:14,820
this mysterious disease

815
00:33:20,149 --> 00:33:17,399
the State of Mind was responsible for

816
00:33:22,190 --> 00:33:20,159
the Persistence of isolated cases among

817
00:33:24,169 --> 00:33:22,200
the children after they returned home

818
00:33:25,909 --> 00:33:24,179
it was this Persistence of the outbreak

819
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which forced the Victorian Health

820
00:33:29,330 --> 00:33:28,260
commission to divulge the unpalatable

821
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truth

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about the Genesis of the outbreak

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magazine volume one number one which

824
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came out in early 1981.

825
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you can download that issue of the

826
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magazine it's only very small from our

827
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website skeptics.com

828
00:33:53,690 --> 00:33:51,059
and you can download a lot of other

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issues of the magazine as well so and

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thank you

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[Music]

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www.skepticzone.tv homepage

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[Music]

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00:35:35,650 --> 00:35:31,670
now it's time once again to look into

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00:35:37,609 --> 00:35:35,660
those pages at Trove at

836
00:35:39,050 --> 00:35:37,619
trove.nla.gov.eu the online resource

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from the Australian government in the

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National Library of Australia you know

839
00:35:47,089 --> 00:35:43,980
it so well where I go to find digital

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00:35:48,050 --> 00:35:47,099
goodies archived news reports from the

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past

842
00:35:54,890 --> 00:35:52,859
simply numbering in their Millions a

843
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:54,900
wonderful Treasure Trove of information

844
00:35:59,349 --> 00:35:57,000
and his straight

845
00:36:02,510 --> 00:35:59,359
indeed now last week we were looking at

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00:36:04,310 --> 00:36:02,520
Ogopogo the Canadian lake monster so

847
00:36:07,550 --> 00:36:04,320
this week I thought we would look into

848
00:36:09,950 --> 00:36:07,560
lake monsters from around the world so

849
00:36:13,609 --> 00:36:09,960
I'm going to confine this segment to

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00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,619
just one one report and this comes from

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the camera times dated the 3rd of

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November 1990.

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00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:22,680
do dinosaurs still live hundreds will

854
00:36:32,200 --> 00:36:25,920
say yes and this is the story by Paul

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[Music]

856
00:36:40,550 --> 00:36:36,900
of course we barely

857
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:40,560
Baron report was written 33 years ago

858
00:36:45,890 --> 00:36:43,020
in this high-tech age of telescopic

859
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:45,900
cameras infrared night scope satellites

860
00:36:51,950 --> 00:36:48,560
aerial surveys and sophisticated sonar

861
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:51,960
surely it isn't possible for any large

862
00:36:57,829 --> 00:36:54,980
mysterious creature to remain undetected

863
00:37:02,290 --> 00:36:57,839
surely dinosaur-like creatures cannot

864
00:37:04,730 --> 00:37:02,300
exist anyway but it is highly likely

865
00:37:07,190 --> 00:37:04,740
they do

866
00:37:09,710 --> 00:37:07,200
strange monsters inhabit numerous Lakes

867
00:37:13,310 --> 00:37:09,720
throughout the world and not just Loch

868
00:37:16,990 --> 00:37:13,320
Ness unknown beasts have been seen at

869
00:37:19,609 --> 00:37:17,000
Sea are these sea serpents do

870
00:37:21,829 --> 00:37:19,619
brontosauruses still exist in Africa is

871
00:37:23,450 --> 00:37:21,839
it possible that pterodactyls still fly

872
00:37:27,829 --> 00:37:23,460
our skies

873
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,839
the monster of the lake is probably the

874
00:37:32,270 --> 00:37:29,760
most witnessed and photographed of all

875
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,280
unknown phenomena in our time

876
00:37:38,810 --> 00:37:34,640
I'll break here and probably say

877
00:37:39,890 --> 00:37:38,820
possibly not possibly UFOs anyway we

878
00:37:42,470 --> 00:37:39,900
read on

879
00:37:45,890 --> 00:37:42,480
most people who have seen such creatures

880
00:37:48,410 --> 00:37:45,900
are highly respectable surely not all of

881
00:37:50,810 --> 00:37:48,420
them were saying things in Lake

882
00:37:54,170 --> 00:37:50,820
Champlain in America there is a monster

883
00:37:57,349 --> 00:37:54,180
called champ at least 91 people will

884
00:38:00,410 --> 00:37:57,359
tell you this is so it has been

885
00:38:03,050 --> 00:38:00,420
described as having a long neck a rather

886
00:38:06,650 --> 00:38:03,060
Serpentine body up to nine meters long

887
00:38:08,690 --> 00:38:06,660
and darkish skin champ scared the

888
00:38:13,069 --> 00:38:08,700
Daylights out of a New York High Society

889
00:38:15,950 --> 00:38:13,079
Steamboat Excursion in the 1870s when it

890
00:38:18,950 --> 00:38:15,960
surfaced nearby the famous showman PT

891
00:38:22,910 --> 00:38:18,960
Barnum even put a 50

892
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:22,920
000 price on Champs carcass

893
00:38:29,109 --> 00:38:26,160
more recently two skin divers Morris

894
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:29,119
Lucia I think that's pronounced and Fred

895
00:38:35,630 --> 00:38:33,119
Shanna felt were diving in Magnum Bay on

896
00:38:38,690 --> 00:38:35,640
Lake Champlain searching for a sunken

897
00:38:41,150 --> 00:38:38,700
cabin cruiser when Lucia unexpectedly

898
00:38:44,390 --> 00:38:41,160
gestured for his partner to surface

899
00:38:47,690 --> 00:38:44,400
Shanna felt thinking there was some

900
00:38:50,870 --> 00:38:47,700
danger surfaced with Lucia and looking

901
00:38:54,950 --> 00:38:50,880
around saw what had given Lucia such a

902
00:38:57,770 --> 00:38:54,960
scare a huge monster mushroom gray and

903
00:39:00,290 --> 00:38:57,780
at least 12 meters long was swimming

904
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:00,300
right beside them

905
00:39:06,230 --> 00:39:03,420
Lucia said later it didn't make any

906
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:06,240
effort to harm us once it cocked its

907
00:39:11,630 --> 00:39:08,640
head as if curious about our appearance

908
00:39:14,569 --> 00:39:11,640
I think we could have gone right back

909
00:39:16,790 --> 00:39:14,579
into the water without being hurt of

910
00:39:18,109 --> 00:39:16,800
course I wouldn't have done that for a

911
00:39:20,510 --> 00:39:18,119
million dollars

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00:39:23,150 --> 00:39:20,520
Manny Pogo is the name given to the

913
00:39:25,310 --> 00:39:23,160
monster cited in the Canadian Lakes of

914
00:39:28,310 --> 00:39:25,320
winnipegosis I hope that's pronounced

915
00:39:31,069 --> 00:39:28,320
and Manitoba it has always been

916
00:39:33,130 --> 00:39:31,079
described as being slate gray with humps

917
00:39:35,510 --> 00:39:33,140
and a horn sticking out of its flat

918
00:39:38,329 --> 00:39:35,520
snake-like head

919
00:39:41,510 --> 00:39:38,339
when many Pogo Rose in front of a large

920
00:39:45,470 --> 00:39:41,520
group of picnickers at Manitoba park on

921
00:39:46,970 --> 00:39:45,480
the Lake Shore in 1960 there was instant

922
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,980
if

923
00:39:51,349 --> 00:39:48,540
hilarious

924
00:39:53,690 --> 00:39:51,359
pandemonium grabbing their cameras one

925
00:39:57,170 --> 00:39:53,700
woman rushed to the water's edge and

926
00:40:00,170 --> 00:39:57,180
promptly fell in another woman camera in

927
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:00,180
hand rushed to her husband but forgot to

928
00:40:05,390 --> 00:40:03,720
take a picture first the designer of the

929
00:40:08,450 --> 00:40:05,400
park Tom Lake

930
00:40:09,950 --> 00:40:08,460
that's a great name for him yeah a

931
00:40:14,089 --> 00:40:09,960
designer of a park at a lake I suppose

932
00:40:17,870 --> 00:40:14,099
Tom Lake who had a cine camera which was

933
00:40:21,589 --> 00:40:17,880
like a a movie camera a cine camera with

934
00:40:24,290 --> 00:40:21,599
him at the time calmly and Cooley filmed

935
00:40:26,630 --> 00:40:24,300
the monster until it submerged then he

936
00:40:31,130 --> 00:40:26,640
discovered there was no film in the

937
00:40:33,290 --> 00:40:31,140
camera no dear Mr R A Adams chased the

938
00:40:37,430 --> 00:40:33,300
creature along the shore and saw it

939
00:40:39,290 --> 00:40:37,440
joined by a mate and a baby monster

940
00:40:42,310 --> 00:40:39,300
I wish I could have been there

941
00:40:45,050 --> 00:40:42,320
Steve rahalock his wife and two children

942
00:40:47,630 --> 00:40:45,060
all got a good view too

943
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,640
we were sitting at a picnic table there

944
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:49,740
was a ripple in the water when I first

945
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:52,680
looked there was only one but then I ran

946
00:40:58,790 --> 00:40:54,180
to the shore and I could see another

947
00:41:00,650 --> 00:40:58,800
beside it and a third trailing behind he

948
00:41:04,010 --> 00:41:00,660
thought they all looked like three black

949
00:41:08,270 --> 00:41:04,020
snakes all in all 17 people observed

950
00:41:09,890 --> 00:41:08,280
Manitoba and family that day but no one

951
00:41:13,490 --> 00:41:09,900
got a picture

952
00:41:16,849 --> 00:41:13,500
in Lake Okanagan in western Canada there

953
00:41:19,670 --> 00:41:16,859
is yet another strange monster Ogo Pogo

954
00:41:21,109 --> 00:41:19,680
its name being derived from a musical

955
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:21,119
song

956
00:41:26,810 --> 00:41:23,820
actually I'm not sure if that

957
00:41:28,849 --> 00:41:26,820
is correct with the name maybe I can

958
00:41:33,290 --> 00:41:28,859
delve into that later

959
00:41:35,390 --> 00:41:33,300
in 1977 Mrs Lillian Fogle guessing I

960
00:41:37,670 --> 00:41:35,400
think that's pronounced got a terrifying

961
00:41:40,670 --> 00:41:37,680
shock when her little daughter playing

962
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,680
by the Lakeshore began screaming Mrs

963
00:41:46,190 --> 00:41:43,440
Fogle guessing saw a 15 meter long

964
00:41:48,890 --> 00:41:46,200
creature twisting and thrashing water

965
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:48,900
frothing around its humps chasing fish

966
00:41:55,730 --> 00:41:52,200
close to the shore it was olive green in

967
00:41:57,890 --> 00:41:55,740
color with glistening smooth skin and

968
00:42:02,150 --> 00:41:57,900
what looked like flippers on another

969
00:42:04,609 --> 00:42:02,160
occasion Aaron Neely was water skiing on

970
00:42:07,310 --> 00:42:04,619
the lake when something dark and huge

971
00:42:10,790 --> 00:42:07,320
rushed past her upsetting her from her

972
00:42:13,970 --> 00:42:10,800
skis she said the creature was only an

973
00:42:16,849 --> 00:42:13,980
arm's length away while she trod water

974
00:42:19,670 --> 00:42:16,859
when brought to the shore she was taken

975
00:42:22,190 --> 00:42:19,680
to hospital for shock treatment

976
00:42:26,329 --> 00:42:22,200
there is even a monster in Japan's like

977
00:42:29,150 --> 00:42:26,339
ikida it has been described as vast and

978
00:42:31,970 --> 00:42:29,160
having two widely spaced humps

979
00:42:34,490 --> 00:42:31,980
issy as the monster is called and I hope

980
00:42:37,310 --> 00:42:34,500
I've pronounced that correctly has even

981
00:42:40,849 --> 00:42:37,320
had a special Observatory built in its

982
00:42:43,670 --> 00:42:40,859
honor enthusiastic issy supporters once

983
00:42:46,310 --> 00:42:43,680
poured sake into the lake hoping is he

984
00:42:47,930 --> 00:42:46,320
would become Tipsy and come to the

985
00:42:50,450 --> 00:42:47,940
surface to frolic

986
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,460
of course the most famous of all the

987
00:42:55,730 --> 00:42:53,760
lake monsters is Nessie of Loch Ness who

988
00:42:59,630 --> 00:42:55,740
has the distinction of having being

989
00:43:01,910 --> 00:42:59,640
cited by more than 3 000 people Nessie

990
00:43:04,970 --> 00:43:01,920
has been filmed photographed subjected

991
00:43:08,210 --> 00:43:04,980
to sonar scans and submarines and has

992
00:43:11,470 --> 00:43:08,220
scared divers and fishermen but has

993
00:43:14,930 --> 00:43:11,480
still remained mysterious and Elusive

994
00:43:17,990 --> 00:43:14,940
Loch Ness in Northern Scotland is 39

995
00:43:20,690 --> 00:43:18,000
kilometers long and up to 300 meters

996
00:43:23,329 --> 00:43:20,700
deep bordered by sheer mountains on one

997
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,339
side Loch Ness is an eerie and

998
00:43:29,030 --> 00:43:25,920
forbidding Place its Waters constantly

999
00:43:33,710 --> 00:43:29,040
dark and murky the first photograph of

1000
00:43:36,109 --> 00:43:33,720
Nessie was taken in 1933 by Hugh gray a

1001
00:43:38,630 --> 00:43:36,119
worker at the local British Aluminum

1002
00:43:41,150 --> 00:43:38,640
Company it was a Sunday after church

1003
00:43:44,990 --> 00:43:41,160
when gray took his usual walk along the

1004
00:43:47,930 --> 00:43:45,000
lock the lock was like a Mill Pond and

1005
00:43:50,510 --> 00:43:47,940
the Sun was shining brightly an object

1006
00:43:54,650 --> 00:43:50,520
considerable Dimensions rose out of the

1007
00:43:56,930 --> 00:43:54,660
water not so very far from where I was

1008
00:43:59,089 --> 00:43:56,940
I immediately got my camera ready and

1009
00:44:00,890 --> 00:43:59,099
snapped the object which was two to

1010
00:44:03,530 --> 00:44:00,900
three feet above the surface of the

1011
00:44:06,069 --> 00:44:03,540
water a previously unreported encounter

1012
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:06,079
took place on July 22

1013
00:44:11,690 --> 00:44:09,480
1933. Mr and Mrs George Spicer on

1014
00:44:13,550 --> 00:44:11,700
holiday in Scotland were driving along a

1015
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:13,560
narrow road that ran beside the lock

1016
00:44:20,270 --> 00:44:16,680
when they were suddenly confronted by an

1017
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:20,280
awesome sight a nine meter bulky grayish

1018
00:44:26,990 --> 00:44:24,000
creature with a 3.6 meter long neck came

1019
00:44:30,230 --> 00:44:27,000
crashing out of the Bracken on the

1020
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:30,240
hillside moving ponderously across the

1021
00:44:33,470 --> 00:44:32,280
road it plunged into the lock and

1022
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:33,480
disappeared

1023
00:44:39,550 --> 00:44:37,140
during that year a flurry of sightings

1024
00:44:42,950 --> 00:44:39,560
took place the monster's description

1025
00:44:46,190 --> 00:44:42,960
varied always consisted of two humps a

1026
00:44:48,710 --> 00:44:46,200
long tail and a snake-like head and neck

1027
00:44:51,430 --> 00:44:48,720
that was usually seen protruding from

1028
00:44:53,630 --> 00:44:51,440
the water all these sightings brought

1029
00:44:56,030 --> 00:44:53,640
worldwide publicity and floods of

1030
00:44:57,470 --> 00:44:56,040
reporters Monster Hunters sightseers and

1031
00:44:59,870 --> 00:44:57,480
researchers to the lock

1032
00:45:02,290 --> 00:44:59,880
in well over half a century that flood

1033
00:45:05,450 --> 00:45:02,300
has never really abated

1034
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,460
are all these like Monsters a type of

1035
00:45:10,690 --> 00:45:08,640
surviving dinosaur the most common

1036
00:45:13,370 --> 00:45:10,700
theory is that Nessie and friends are

1037
00:45:16,010 --> 00:45:13,380
plesiosaurs a giant fish eating reptile

1038
00:45:18,130 --> 00:45:16,020
supposed to have become extinct 70

1039
00:45:20,630 --> 00:45:18,140
million years ago skeleton

1040
00:45:23,510 --> 00:45:20,640
reconstructions of fossil plesiosaurs

1041
00:45:26,210 --> 00:45:23,520
certainly fit many of the lake monsters

1042
00:45:28,190 --> 00:45:26,220
descriptions others believe that these

1043
00:45:30,589 --> 00:45:28,200
lake monsters are giant eels or a race

1044
00:45:33,950 --> 00:45:30,599
of monster worm-like amphibious

1045
00:45:35,930 --> 00:45:33,960
creatures then again there's the notion

1046
00:45:39,050 --> 00:45:35,940
that the lake monsters are a species of

1047
00:45:43,010 --> 00:45:39,060
giant salamander and that Nessie is a

1048
00:45:46,370 --> 00:45:43,020
type of huge shellless snail

1049
00:45:48,530 --> 00:45:46,380
Carl hagenbeck the great Hamburg Zoo

1050
00:45:50,690 --> 00:45:48,540
collector heard many stories from

1051
00:45:54,410 --> 00:45:50,700
explorers and natives of huge creatures

1052
00:45:56,870 --> 00:45:54,420
half elephant half dragon existing in

1053
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:56,880
the swamps of Africa an expedition to

1054
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:58,800
Zambia discovered cave drawings

1055
00:46:02,290 --> 00:46:01,200
depicting a giant sauropod dinosaur

1056
00:46:05,990 --> 00:46:02,300
called

1057
00:46:09,470 --> 00:46:06,000
brontosaurus or as it is now more

1058
00:46:12,109 --> 00:46:09,480
correctly called the Apatosaurus and I

1059
00:46:15,349 --> 00:46:12,119
think in the years since then the names

1060
00:46:18,170 --> 00:46:15,359
have changed a little bit again science

1061
00:46:19,790 --> 00:46:18,180
Marches On And The Story Goes On a bit

1062
00:46:22,910 --> 00:46:19,800
later to say because it is quite a

1063
00:46:25,069 --> 00:46:22,920
lengthy piece If dinosaurs still inhabit

1064
00:46:28,190 --> 00:46:25,079
Lakes then surely some of them would

1065
00:46:28,970 --> 00:46:28,200
still dwell in the unknown depths of the

1066
00:46:32,329 --> 00:46:28,980
sea

1067
00:46:35,390 --> 00:46:32,339
in the North Atlantic in 1959 to

1068
00:46:38,210 --> 00:46:35,400
Scotsman had a vivid sighting off the

1069
00:46:41,569 --> 00:46:38,220
Isle of sorry one of the men was Tex

1070
00:46:44,210 --> 00:46:41,579
Geddes the other a holidaying engineer

1071
00:46:47,870 --> 00:46:44,220
inspector James Gavin while fishing

1072
00:46:49,849 --> 00:46:47,880
mackerel One Fine Day Gavin noticed a

1073
00:46:51,950 --> 00:46:49,859
strange black shape a couple of

1074
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:51,960
kilometers away the object appeared to

1075
00:46:56,690 --> 00:46:54,240
be getting closer all the time I'm

1076
00:46:59,089 --> 00:46:56,700
afraid we both stared in amazement as

1077
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:59,099
the object came towards us explain to

1078
00:47:04,309 --> 00:47:01,380
get us afterwards for this Beast

1079
00:47:08,030 --> 00:47:04,319
steaming slowly in our Direction was

1080
00:47:10,370 --> 00:47:08,040
like some hellish monster of prehistoric

1081
00:47:13,670 --> 00:47:10,380
times the head was definitely reptilian

1082
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,680
about two and a half feet 75 centimeters

1083
00:47:20,030 --> 00:47:17,040
high with large protruding eyes I would

1084
00:47:22,670 --> 00:47:20,040
say we saw eight to ten feet two and a

1085
00:47:25,250 --> 00:47:22,680
half to three meters of the back in the

1086
00:47:27,829 --> 00:47:25,260
water a similar strange creature

1087
00:47:32,450 --> 00:47:27,839
dramatically appeared in the middle of a

1088
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:32,460
U-Boat action U-Boat u28 well we could

1089
00:47:35,589 --> 00:47:33,050
say

1090
00:47:38,750 --> 00:47:35,599
[Music]

1091
00:47:41,809 --> 00:47:38,760
under the command of Captain Georg Von

1092
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:41,819
forstner had just sunk a British cargo

1093
00:47:48,349 --> 00:47:46,020
steamer the steamer sank quietly then

1094
00:47:50,829 --> 00:47:48,359
there was a violent underwater explosion

1095
00:47:54,290 --> 00:47:50,839
followed by pieces of Ricky gende

1096
00:47:56,930 --> 00:47:54,300
writhing struggling gigantic sea animal

1097
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:56,940
erupting out of the water

1098
00:48:02,750 --> 00:47:59,700
Ron fostner described the creature as

1099
00:48:06,109 --> 00:48:02,760
being like a crocodile in shape it had

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four limbs with powerful webbed feet and

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a long tail taping to a point

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either Australia can boast its own sea

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serpent in December 1964 a Frenchman

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named Robert Lee Sorak who lived on Hood

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Island in Queensland was taking his

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family across

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Stonehaven Bay in a small motor Cruiser

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they came across what looked like a

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floating tree as they approached it Li

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serak observed that it had a vast

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eel-like body hastily he took his family

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back to shore then accompanied by a

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diver named Hank DeYoung Le sack went

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back to where he had seen the injured

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monster which he hoped to film The

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Creature had a huge head and a large

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mouth crammed with small teeth its body

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had no scales had a pointed tail and was

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some 21 meters in length the creature

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had a gaping wound in its side and had

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probably come into the shallow Waters of

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the bay to escape sharks a as Lee sarak

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was filming the creature it slowly slid

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off into deeper water way back in 1890 a

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school teacher named Miss Lovell

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reported seeing off the Queensland Coast

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a creature half turtle and half fish

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some nine meters in length the local

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Aborigines had always known of such a

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creature and called it a Muhammad I

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think that's pronounced

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for those of you who wish to know that

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the oceans cover at least two-thirds of

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the world's surface and their depths are

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some of the least explored areas in the

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world there have been numerous sightings

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and collected evidence supporting the

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existence of giant squid and octopi as

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well as sea serpent so it is also

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possible that

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dinosaur-like creatures lurk in the

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oceans

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stranger things have happened at sea

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[Music]

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and we get to the conclusion of the

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report could so many people who have

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claimed they have seen sea monsters

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brontosaurus pterodactyls and Lake

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creatures like the Loch Ness monster be

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wrong

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it is true that a number of recorded

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sightings are due to mistaken natural

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phenomena or hoaxes like the one where a

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Yorkshire zoo owner managed to fool

1155
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everyone for a day or so into believing

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00:50:46,069 --> 00:50:43,020
that one of the dead elephant seals was

1157
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a basking Nessie but the overwhelming

1158
00:50:52,130 --> 00:50:48,960
statistics of sightings collated with

1159
00:50:55,370 --> 00:50:52,140
what evidence there is points strongly

1160
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to the fact that strange creatures

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possibly remnants from the dinosaur age

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00:51:04,430 --> 00:51:01,559
inhabit the unplumbed depths of lakes

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00:51:05,589 --> 00:51:04,440
and oceans and unexplored Waters of the

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00:51:08,630 --> 00:51:05,599
earth

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00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,640
until recently only a small number of

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scientists and zoologists were inclined

1167
00:51:15,410 --> 00:51:13,319
to be involved in proving the

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00:51:18,650 --> 00:51:15,420
authenticity of these mysterious

1169
00:51:21,829 --> 00:51:18,660
creatures now full-scale Expeditions

1170
00:51:23,450 --> 00:51:21,839
armed with the most modern equipment are

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00:51:27,770 --> 00:51:23,460
occurring if

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00:51:30,770 --> 00:51:27,780
continue and persevere it may not be too

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00:51:35,930 --> 00:51:30,780
long before we know for sure that some

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foreign

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[Music]

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despite the best efforts of Monster

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Hunters cryptozoologists and dedicated

1178
00:52:00,370 --> 00:51:56,220
scientists regardless not one of these

1179
00:52:03,010 --> 00:52:00,380
mysterious creatures has come to light

1180
00:52:05,750 --> 00:52:03,020
what a fascinating topic it is

1181
00:52:09,650 --> 00:52:05,760
cryptozoology in general and in this

1182
00:52:15,250 --> 00:52:09,660
case sea and lake monsters in particular

1183
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:15,260
[Music]

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00:52:20,329 --> 00:52:18,480
the mysteries of the deep and you can

1185
00:52:24,010 --> 00:52:20,339
explore those mysteries for yourself in

1186
00:52:26,450 --> 00:52:24,020
the pages of Trove at

1187
00:52:29,630 --> 00:52:26,460
trove.nla.gov.eu because when you dive

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00:52:34,340 --> 00:52:29,640
into those Mysteries you never know what

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00:52:34,350 --> 00:52:48,590
[Music]

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[Applause]

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00:52:54,829 --> 00:52:51,839
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00:52:58,250 --> 00:52:54,839
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1193
00:53:00,710 --> 00:52:58,260
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00:53:02,329 --> 00:53:00,720
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1195
00:53:05,270 --> 00:53:02,339
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just come on board to be

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sponsors as well

1202
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00:53:29,089 --> 00:53:24,119
Saunders signing off from quite near San

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you've been listening to the skeptic

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00:53:37,990 --> 00:53:35,660
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00:54:10,550 --> 00:54:08,940
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[Music]

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after the music in hopes of an Easter

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00:54:32,450 --> 00:54:31,200
egg yes you get an Easter egg this week

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um

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this large wooden table here and I do

1225
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have a d10 a 10-sided die so we'll play

1226
00:54:42,829 --> 00:54:39,660
the dice game for those of you who don't

1227
00:54:46,190 --> 00:54:42,839
know this is where you use your magical

1228
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:46,200
predicting power or dumb luck and see if

1229
00:54:49,849 --> 00:54:48,240
you can predict what number will come up

1230
00:54:52,130 --> 00:54:49,859
on the die

1231
00:54:54,370 --> 00:54:52,140
one two three four five six seven eight

1232
00:54:58,609 --> 00:54:54,380
nine or ten will roll it three times

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00:55:01,849 --> 00:54:58,619
where's my skeptic Zone pen here it is

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00:55:05,809 --> 00:55:01,859
where's my skeptic Zone Note Paper here

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00:55:12,290 --> 00:55:07,790
otherwise known as a pen and a note

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00:55:16,190 --> 00:55:14,510
roll number one concentrate now

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00:55:19,849 --> 00:55:16,200
concentrate

1238
00:55:26,930 --> 00:55:23,750
five the UI Susan gubert just for you

1239
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:26,940
roll number two concentrating predicting

1240
00:55:29,630 --> 00:55:28,090
here it comes

1241
00:55:33,049 --> 00:55:29,640
[Music]

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five seven and the last one coming up

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two